Friday, March 28, 2008
Quite simple really. Here is the Robert Spencer recipe for stopping this mis-named sentiment. Wrongly named, because the feeling that grips the non-Moslem (Free Person) when Moslem demands, complaints, outrage, and violence are expressed is one of contempt and disgust for this primitive barbarism (Islam). But that is my sentiment. Robert Spencer is not involved in this. He has an essay on what makes us cringe titled A Muslim Battle Plan Against Free Speech from which the following is reprinted here:
How To End "Islamophobia"
The conclusion of the article by Robert Spencer in Human Events:
1. Focus indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
2. Renounce definitively not just “terrorism,” but any intention to replace the U.S. Constitution (or the constitutions of any non-Muslim state) with Islamic Sharia law even by peaceful means.
3. Teach Muslims the imperative of coexisting peacefully as equals with non-Muslims on an indefinite basis.
4. Begin comprehensive international programs in mosques all over the world to teach against the ideas of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism.
5. Actively work with Western law enforcement officials to identify and apprehend jihadists within Western Muslim communities.
Do those things, and “Islamophobia” will vanish.
Read it all.
In the same essay, Mr. Spencer also says the following:
Once you declare one group off-limits for critical examination or declare that these people must at all costs not be offended, or that if they are they’re perfectly within their rights to stone, or lash, or imprison, or kill the offender, then you have destroyed free speech. In a free society, people with differing opinions live together in harmony, agreeing not to kill one another if their neighbor’s opinions offend them. If offensive speech had been prohibited in the 1770s, there would be no United States of America, and that is one of the reasons for the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Whenever offensive speech is prohibited, the tyrant’s power is solidified. No less in this case, although the tyrant in question is of a different kind.
Instead of being intimidated by the possibility of offending Muslims, we infidels need to crank it up. Any other reaction to the Islamic threat to our freedoms is dhimmitude.
Reprinted from Islamic Danger February 1, 2007
An "American Moslem?"
Can a Moslem be a good American?
Can a Moslem even be an American?
I don't mean an "American citizen," because they can perjure themselves when swearing to uphold our Constitution and get citizenship.]
MusHuntCowboy over at Jihad Watch, answers that question for us.
let's listen to him:
I have received this via email---
Can a good Muslim be a good American ?
This is something I've wondered about for some time now: How & why do the
Muslims hate us & everyone else so much? Doesn't their God teach them to
Can a good Muslim be a good American?
This question was sent to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam
and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns
in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends
with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual
leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat
and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist.
Every Muslim government is e ither dictatorial or autocratic
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the
Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as
heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent
Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very
suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both
"good" Muslims and good Americans.
Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above
statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who
understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
Pass it on, Fellow Americans.
The war is bigger than we know or understand.
Click on date above [February 1, 2007 04:44 PM] to get to the pertinent Jihad Watch page.
Reprinted from Islamic Danger
THIS IS YOUR GOVERNMENT
In three of its parts:
The Administration, the Cabinet, and the Agencies and Bureaus, in any order that you like.
The first one says: "I do not hear the Islamic enemy." The second one says: "I do not see the Islamic enemy." and the third: "I do not speak about the Islamic enemy."
The Administration: president and staff
The Cabinet: Departments--State, DOD, DOJ, etc.
Bureaus and Agencies: FBI, ATF, CIA, etc.
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
Monday, March 24, 2008
Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
CAIR Exposed: Part 1 [Click on this for entire article]
As IAP Offshoot, CAIR Followed Pro-Hamas* Agenda From the Start
by Steven Emerson
March 24, 2008
A PDF document accompanies the IPT article, with much more detail on CAIR’s Origins:
• CAIR is an offshoot of the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP)
Founded in 1994, CAIR was incorporated by three leaders of the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) -- Nihad Awad, Omar Ahmad, and Rafeeq Jaber.1 Mousa Abu Marzook, the current deputy political chief of Hamas, served on the board of directors of IAP in 1989 and provided the group with $490,000.2 IAP, which is now defunct, was long a central player in Hamas’ U.S. support network while CAIR’s future founders controlled IAP. A 2001 Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) memo extensively documented IAP’s support for Hamas and noted that the "facts strongly suggest" that IAP is "part of Hamas’ propaganda apparatus."3
In August 2002, a federal judge ruled that there was evidence that "the Islamic Association for Palestine has acted in support of Hamas."4*
--from PDF Document CAIR’s Origins
All material on this post (except the footnote) from Little Green Footballs
* HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement); West Bank, Gaza Strip, Israel Outgrowth of the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood Aims to replace Israel with Palestinian Islamic state using political and violent means 1987 Large-scale suicide bombings and attacks against Israelis
HAMAS is a U.S.-Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization
As of April 2006, the U.S. State Department has designated th[is] group . . . as [a] Foreign Terrorist Organization . . . (FTO . . . ).
Source: U.S. Department of State, Office of Counterterrorism, Center for Defense Information, Terrorism Project.
Tuesday, March 18, 2008
Bush delivers huge arms package to Saudis, awarded with highest Saudi honor
Honored for faithful service
From Jihad Watch
Continuation of http://islamicdangerfu.blogspot.com/2008/01/things-are-not-as-bad-as-you-might.html
And the Saudis love him, although they love Osama bin Laden more. "Bush delivers arms sale to Saudi Arabia," by Anne Gearan for AP (thanks to all who sent this in):
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - President Bush, on his first visit to this oil-rich kingdom, delivered a major arms sale Monday to a key ally in a region where the U.S. casts neighboring Iran as a menace to stability....
Coinciding with Bush's trip, the Bush administration in Washington notified Congress on Monday that it will offer Saudi Arabia the chance to buy sophisticated Joint Direct Attack Munitions — or "smart bomb" — technology and related equipment, the State Department said. The administration envisions the transfer of 900 of the precision-guided bomb kits, worth $123 million, that would give the kingdom's armed forces highly accurate targeting abilities.
The proposed deal follows notification of five other packages to Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait, bringing to $11.5 billion the amount of advanced U.S. weaponry, including Patriot missiles, that the administration has announced it will provide to friendly Arab nations, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said. Administration officials say the total amount of eventual sales as part of the Gulf Security Dialogue is estimated at $20 billion, a figure subject to actual purchases.
The arms packages are an important part of the U.S. strategy to bolster the defenses of oil-producing Gulf nations, such as Saudi Arabia, against threats from Iran. Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states, which have majority Sunni Muslim populations, harbor deep suspicions about Shiite Iran's apparent designs to establish itself as a major power.
Congress already has been briefed on all the packages, which also include the sale of the Navy's Littoral Combat system. Lawmakers mostly see the deals as critical to maintaining relations with war-on-terror allies. Some are opposed to the JDAMs portion out of concern that it gives Saudi Arabia the ability to attack Israel, but are unlikely to muster the two-thirds majority needed, within an allowed 30-day period, to block the sales.
The administration has assured lawmakers in closed briefings in recent months that there would be proper restrictions on the JDAMs sales to ensure they would not threaten to Israel. Israel, which has been sold JDAMs technology by the U.S. as well, also has said it does not oppose the deal.
How can anyone ensure that they will not be used to attack Israel?
Meanwhile, we'll have to see if the President dares raise the issue of rising oil prices with the Saudi King:
As for the topic of rising oil prices, Bush national security adviser Stephen Hadley would only say "we'll have to see" when asked whether Bush would raise the issue with the king. The Saudis are responsible for almost one-third of OPEC's total output.
And don't expect Saudi Arabia to change, either:
Another item for discussion could be the democratic principles Bush has promoted during his trip. While Abdullah has tried to push some reforms on education and women's rights and there have been limited municipal council elections, the king has been cautious and limited in his efforts. He apparently has been hampered by others in the royal family worried that fast changes could upset the country's conservative clerics and citizens.
Don't want to upset those "conservatives"! But no one on the Saudi side, for their part, is hesitating to make demands:
After arriving Monday afternoon in Riyadh from Dubai, Bush expected to hear Abdullah urge him to keep up the pressure on Israel to halt settlements in Palestinian territories. The administration was able to persuade the Saudis to participate in the U.S.-sponsored Mideast peace conference in Annapolis, Md., in November.
The Saudis know a true friend when they see one:
Bush enjoyed a warm embrace from Abdullah. He was staying a night at the monarch's ranch — a rare show of hospitality to a visiting dignitary that reflects Bush's hosting of Abdullah twice at his own ranch in Crawford, Texas.
And the king greeted Bush at the base of the steps of Air Force One — a gesture the president never affords foreign leaders visiting the U.S. A band played each country's national anthem as the leaders walked on a red carpet behind a high-stepping uniformed officer carrying a gold sword.
After dinner in the King's Palace, Bush and Abdullah walked through a large central atrium and picked up cups of Arabic coffee to take into their meetings. Sitting side by side in chairs, Abdullah presented Bush with a gold necklace adorned with a large medallion — the King Abdul Aziz Order of Merit, the country's highest honor, named after the founder of the modern Saudi state.
The award was placed around Bush's neck and the two exchanged the region's traditional double kiss. "I am honored," Bush said.
The hospitality masked Bush's deep unpopularity among ordinary Saudis.
A recent poll conducted for Terror Free Tomorrow, a bipartisan group whose goal is undermining world support for terrorism, found only 12 percent here view Bush positively — lower than Iran's president or even al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden — and more think warmly toward Iran than America. Top among the reasons are the chaos in Iraq that followed the 2003 U.S.-led invasion and the widespread Arab feeling that the United States is biased toward Israel and not serious in seeking Mideast peace.
Posted at 4:00 AM Comments (42)
Bowing before the King
Bush to Saudis: Can you help us out on these oil prices? Saudis: Nope
Friend and Ally Update: "Saudi oil minister: Kingdom will raise production only if market justifies it," from Associated Press (thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist):
From Jihad Watch
Continuation of http://islamicdangerfu.blogspot.com/2008/01/things-are-not-as-bad-as-you-might.html
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Saudi Arabia will raise oil production only when the market justifies it, the kingdom's oil minister said Tuesday, in response to President Bush's request that OPEC nations increase output to reduce world oil prices.
"Our interest is to keep oil supplies matching demand with minimum volatility in the oil market," Oil Minister Ali Naimi told reporters. "We will raise production when the market justifies it. This is our policy."
Naimi said inventory levels appear to be "normal," adding, "we want the inventories to be healthful, but we don't want it to be extremely high or extremely low."
Earlier Tuesday in Riyadh, Bush warned that soaring oil prices could cause an economic slowdown in the United States.
"High energy prices can damage consuming economies," the president told a small group of reporters traveling with him in the Mideast.
Saudi Arabia holds the world's largest supply of oil. Bush said U.S. consumers are feeling the pain of rising oil prices, which topped $100 a barrel this month.
"When consumers have less purchasing power, it could cause the economy to slow down," Bush said. "I hope OPEC nations put more supply on the market," he added. "It would be helpful."
Posted by Robert at January 15, 2008 3:23 PM
Wednesday, March 12, 2008
By CHELSEA J. CARTER – Feb 20, 2008
CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (AP) — Attorneys asked a military judge Wednesday to dismiss charges against a Marine Corps officer accused of failing to investigate the killing of 24 people by Marines in Haditha, Iraq.
The attorneys from the Thomas More Law Center filed five motions in advance of a pretrial hearing for Lt. Col. Jeffrey R. Chessani.
He is the highest-ranking U.S. serviceman to face a combat-related court-martial since the Vietnam War. Chessani was charged with dereliction of duty and violation of a lawful order on allegations that he mishandled the aftermath of the Nov. 19, 2005, shooting deaths.
Among the motions the judge was expected to consider during the two-day hearing were requests to compel the deposition of Rep. John Murtha over comments the congressman made about Marines killing "in cold blood" in Haditha, and motions to dismiss charges because of undue influence by commanding officers.
On the day of the shootings, a convoy was struck by a roadside bomb, killing one Marine and wounding another. In the aftermath, members of one squad killed 24 Iraqi civilians, authorities allege.
Chessani has said he never ordered a formal investigation because he believed the deaths resulted from lawful combat.
Chessani, of Rangely, Colo., faces court-martial on April 28. If convicted on all counts, he faces up to three years in prison.
Four enlisted Marines were initially charged with murder in the case, and four officers were charged with failing to investigate the deaths. Charges against several of the men have been dropped, and none will face murder charges.
In a neighboring courtroom, a three-day pre-trial hearing was under way Wednesday or the squad leader, Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, 27, of Meriden, Conn., who faces charges including voluntary manslaughter.
Wuterich's court-martial is scheduled to begin March 3.
Tuesday, March 11, 2008
. . . continuing from Should We Prepare for the Anti-Jihad?
"We gun owners routinely say to one another that we have the "right" to keep and bear arms. Honestly, though: what kind of "right" do we have if we are afraid to use it?
There is one federal agency whose job is to instill fear into gun owners and dealers. That agency is BATFE.
When we're afraid to make a purchase at a gun show, own an interesting collection of firearms, or effectively protect our own home and family, then we've already lost most of the right to keep and bear arms.
Notice the key word: afraid. Simple fear of being investigated or prosecuted is enough to deter honest citizens from having, owning, using, or even taking an interest in firearms. When you realize the staggering cost of legal defense against even a bogus federal prosecution, you have every reason to be afraid. And the BATFE has always relied on our fear."
[and you don't have to be Jewish to join that excellent organization]
Here's one example that'll curl your short-hairs:
from Red's Trading Post "Idaho's Oldest Gun Shop 1936"
The recent barrage of attacks against us by the ATF [Alcohol Tobacco, and Firearms Agency] are making it more apparent that this is what the JPFO describes it as which is a "Dangerous, Vindictive Government Agency". This is an Agency that continues to make criminals out of honest law abiding citizens.
We have arranged for plain clothed security to be available. Many have stated that they could not make it to Twin Falls. I would highly encourage you to contact the JPFO and host a showing of THE GANG at your local theater. This is not a film that we should buy and let it sit on a shelf. This is a tool and the more that we get people to understand what is happening and get people to see the erosion of their rights that is taken place by a bunch of heavy handed thugs.
Agent Caleb Rushing stated to me during our 2005 audit "Personally, I do not feel that anyone should own guns, but thats just my personal opinion." He also stated to my mom and I after just telling us about a inspection that he did on an explosives dealer "I just love to F*@k with those guys". He told us of a gentleman in his class who was a former gun dealer who had decided to join the ATF, he stated that the former dealer told him that "he was tired of getting f*@ked with and now he could f*@k with other dealers." This is the mentality, this is the arrogance...it is time to Boot the BATFE! Posted by redstradingpost at 12:50 AM
BUT . . .
THERE ARE PLENTY OF GUNS IN MOSLEM COMPOUNDS PROLIFERATING IN THE U.S.
Christian Activist Warns of Terror Compounds in US
The Christian Action Network says most Americans don't realize the threat radical Muslims pose inside the United States.Hear This Report
Who's checking what guns and other weapons they have in these Moslem compounds? Is anybody checking whether adequate backgound checks on those who handle, fire, or have ready access to guns. The Government?
See what they are doing:
How about this?
FBI HELPS ISLAMBERG ALFUQRA TERROR TRAINING, HIKING AND MOUNTAINEERING CLUB
Radical Muslim paramilitary compounds flourishing across the United States
Islamberg not the only radical Muslim compound flourishing in North America
By Judi McLeod
Monday, May 21, 2007
Islamberg is just one of what is thought to be a half dozen radical Muslim paramilitary compounds flourishing across the United States, this one nestled in dense forest at the foothills of the Catskill Mountains on the outskirts of Hancock, New York.
Canada, home to at least one such compound, is no safe ground.
Update on story: May 22, 2007"Islamberg" founder Sheikh Gilani blames Doug Hagmann for CFP story
Update on story: Blogger who posted CFP Islamberg story had life threatened
Now that the photos of the two unidentified FBI types have been published, we will undoubtedly hear that they were merely working undercover. But some sticklers would consider saying cheese from the dinner table of the enemy is over the top.
Hundreds of letters have deluged (CFP) since it published a story with pictures of Springtime in Islamberg, written by The Day of Islam author Dr. Paul Williams with the able assistance of Doug Hagmann, Bill Krayer and Michael Travis.
Many letter writers complain that local authorities are telling them they have never heard of the compound.
Islamberg is an al Fuqra house. "Fuqra has had a disturbing U.S. presence for more than 20 years." (The weekly Standard, March 18, 2002). "Today, half a dozen Fuqra residential compounds in rural hamlets across the country shelter hundreds of members, some of whom, according to intelligence sources, have been trained in the use of weapons and explosives in Pakistan."
In a world where authorities make like terrorism doesn't exist, Fuqra's founder and bossman, Sheikh Mubarik Ali Hasmi Shah Gilani, is not only alive and well--he has a road "Sheikh Gilani Lane" named after him. This road is not in faraway Pakistan, but right in Charlotte County, Virginia.
Charlotte County is a rural farming community in Central Virginia near the North Carolina border.
Like its counterpart in Hancock, New York, it is inhabited by proud Americans many whose sons and daughters are fighting for our freedom in Iraq.
"This is not only an embarrassment to the citizens of Charlotte County it is a disgrace to the entire country and an insult to the victims of 9/11 and those fighting overseas in the war against terrorism," wrote Martin Mawyer, president of the Christian Action Network.
"Sheikh Gilani has rubbed shoulders at international terrorist confabs with gunslingers from Hamas and Hezbollah, their mullah backers, and Osama bin Laden. And he has trained fighters for the battlefields of Kashmir, Chechnya and Bosnia." (the weekly Standard).
Dropping in on radical Muslim paramilitary compounds isn't good for your health. Two bloggers who posted the plucky Williams' Islamberg story had their lives threatened.
Most infidels, including even the local undertaker, are denied access to compounds such as Islamberg.
Indeed, the very undertaker denied access wrote a letter telling the author/journalist he was surprised he made it off the compound with his life intact.
The undertaker says he has delivered bodies to the complex but has yet to be granted entrance. "They come and take the bodies from my hearse," he told Williams. "They won't allow me to get past the sentry post. They say that they want to prepare the bodies for burial. But I never get the bodies back. I don't know what's going on there but I don't think it's legal."
As far as is known, Gilani launched his first U.S. operation without interference from any authority back in 1980.
By the 1990s, Fuqra's communes were being touted as havens where Muslim converts--many of them inner-city blacks, sometimes recruited in prison--could find new direction for their lives.
Why aren't people reading about these flourishing compounds in their hometown newspapers?
Does it require too much work for the mainstream media, or do politically correct times keep the topic taboo?
You'd think that these compounds would be a priority for Homeland Security, but they aren't.
One of the letters to Williams via CFP was from a member of Homeland Security asking for more information!
It seems to be politically incorrect to write about radical Muslim paramilitary compounds flourishing on American soil and politically incorrect to talk about terrorism.
For some American and Canadian citizens, it's welcome to life with a deadly enemy living right next door.
" . . . the fury that was shown recently over immigration policies being thrust down our throats is the same fury that is building against those, all those in positions of media and political power, who have failed to instruct, failed to protect, failed to do a damn thing, about the Jihad in all of its manifestations, with all of its varied instruments. Posted by: Hugh at June 14, 2007 12:04 PM
[click on date to get to Jihad Watch Comment from which this was taken.]
Should We Prepare for the Anti-Jihad to see whether it's time to organize instead of watching our leaders sending the country to hell
. . . FOR THE ANTI-JIHAD
OR SHOULD WE DEPEND ON OUR GOVERNMENT
TO PROTECT US FROM THE JIHAD?
(THAT SAME GOVERNMENT--CONGRESS AND ADMINISTRATION [WHITE HOUSE AND DEPARTMENTS: STATE, DEFENSE, HOMELAND SECURITY, etc.]-- . . .
. . . . THAT HAS DONE SUCH A GOOD JOB IN SECURING OUR BORDERS AND SOLVING THE IMMIGRATION PROBLEM)
Ask yourself again:
SHOULD WE GET READY TO TAKE ON THE JIHAD, OR SHOULD WE RELY ON OUR GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT US FROM EXTERNAL AND INTERNAL JIHADISTS?
Think about it.
Then ask yourself again. . .
Should we organize for what is to come, or can we sleep well knowing that the "authorities" are ready and willing to do what has to be done?
The questions asked are rhetorical. Answers are not expected.
March 11, 2008, 10:03 AM (GMT+02:00)
This was the deadliest day for US soldiers in Iraq since last summer.
In Baghdad, a terrorist wearing an explosive vest blew himself up against a US patrol on foot Monday, March 10, leaving five American troops dead. Nine Iraqi civilians were wounded, including an interpreter.
In Diyalah province, north of Baghdad, three American soldiers and an interpreter were killed by a roadside bomb blast.
Earlier, a female suicide bomber killed an Iraqi tribal leader SE of Baquba. The woman detonated her bomb vest when Thaer Ghadban al-Kharki, head of the local Awakening council allied with the US against al Qaeda, answered the door at his home in Kenaan near the Diyala capital of Baquba north of Baghdad. He was killed on the spot with his daughter and two guards.
DEBKAfile: After a 60-percent drop in fatalities in the last six months, the downward trend has reversed in recent weeks.
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Monday, March 10, 2008
That is what they fear most! Therefore, humiliate them every chance you get. They expect it. Whether we do it or not, they will claim that we do and did. So why not grind them into the dirt where they claim we make them crawl?
Osama sez: " . . . the Muslim world had experienced more than eighty years of 'humiliation and disgrace' at American hands, during which its sons were killed and its sanctities defiled."
-A New Round of Anger and Humiliation: Islam after 9/11
According to Bernard Lewis, "He [Osama] was referring the suppression of the caliphate by the Turkish Republic in 1924. The caliphate was established on the death of the Prophet as the headship of the Muslim world. And as Muslims see it, the world of Islam was headed by a succession of caliphs of different dynasties, ruling in different places, Medina, Damascus, Baghdad and Cairo. The last one was in Istanbul, and it ended catastrophically after World War I, when the last of the caliphs was deposed, and the last of the great Muslim empires was partitioned, its territories divided between the victorious Western allies. That is what he meant by humiliation, and essentially there could be no doubt about that."
The hand-wringing, biased-towards-Moslems Human Rights Watch, claims "Religious Humiliation" of enemy combatant Moslems held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, by the United States.
Now, this "Human Rights Watch" is never concerned with "human rights" violations by Moslems, such as concerns prisoners held by them. So you know how much their concerns are worth (nil).
In an article in Jewish World review, Suzanne Fields writes:
" At first, the Muslim response to Western civilization was admiration and a desire to imitate Western success, an earnest attempt to gain equal status. But when Muslim countries were unable to keep up with the West, Muslims transformed failure into bitterness and hatred.
"It didn't start with American support of Israel, but the seeds were sown when five Arab states attacked Israel in 1948 and suffered a humiliating loss to the new state made up of little more than a half million Jews. Arabia tried again in the Six-Day War of 1967*, and again in the Yom Kippur War of 1973, all with the same effect. The fact that Israeli women fought valiantly against Arabs in 1948, and contributed to their defeat, intensified the blow to Muslim manhood.
"When Muslim men went away to fight to defend the Ottoman Empire during the second decade of the 20th century, Muslim women went to work outside the home out of necessity. But when Arab countries failed to sustain economic, technological and political achievement, the women were first to suffer the reaction. The pride of Muslim manhood demanded it."The Islamists easily encouraged dissatisfaction, exploiting belief in absolutes of good and evil to fight modernism and secularism. Women, perceived as "dirty," have experienced the brunt of male Muslim chauvinism in their own countries. Being guarded, punished and humiliated by American women in Abu Ghraib Prison challenges the very essence of what it means to be a Muslim man stuck on the lowest rung of the world power hierarchy. "
Malaysia’s Prime Minister addressed Islamic "humiliation" thusly:
"The divide between the Muslim and Judeo-Christian worlds will widen until the international community appreciates the sense of humiliation Muslims feel at many actions around the world, especially in the Middle East, Malaysia’s Prime Minister told the United Nations today.
Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, addressing the second day of the General Assembly’s annual debate, said this humiliation 'is the root cause for the loss of trust and confidence between the Muslim world on one side and the Judeo-Christian civilization on the other side.'”
Ralph Potts' Vagabonding has the following regarding Moslem humiliation:
From Husain Haqqani's "Why Muslims always blame the West", International Herald Tribune, October 16, 2004:
"...Instead of hard analysis, which thrives only in a free society, Muslims are generally brought up on propaganda, which is often state-sponsored. This propaganda usually focuses on Muslim humiliation at the hands of others instead of acknowledging the flaws of Muslim leaders and societies. The focus on external enemies causes Muslims to admire power rather than ideas. Warriors, and not scholars or inventors, are generally the heroes of common people. In this simplistic "us vs. them" worldview, both Musharraf and bin Laden are warriors against external enemies.
[italics mine, lw]
"...Ironically, a cult of the warrior has defined the Muslim worldview throughout the period of Muslim decline. Muslims have had few victories in the last two centuries, but their admiration for the proverbial sword and spear has only increased. ...The Muslim cult of the warrior explains also the relatively muted response in the Muslim world to atrocities committed by fellow Muslims.
"While the Muslim world's obsession with military power encourages violent attempts to 'restore' Muslim honor, the real reasons for Muslim humiliation and backwardness continue to multiply. ...Ironically, Western governments have consistently tried to deal with one manifestation of the cult of the warrior - terrorism - by building up Muslim strongmen who are just another manifestation of the same phenomenon."and in the same Ralph Potts' Vagabonding, we find
From Leon de Winter's �Arab-Islamic World Is a Hostage of Its Own Delusions�, Wall Street Journal Europe August 16, 2004:
" . . . .What matters is how phenomena are "experienced" and how they fit into the underlying plot that explains the world to the average Arab and Muslim: the Muslim is the victim of conspiracies."...Based on this simple idea everything falls into place. It explains why power is in other people's hands, when it should be the ummah that holds sway; it explains the poverty, inferiority, the way the West supposedly tries to tempt pious Muslims with obscenities such as film, television, music, dance and drink; it explains the appalling conditions in the Palestinian territories and the unemployment in Morocco, the lack of modern research and development in the universities; it explains the internal Arab divisions; it explains why a third of all Arabs have less than two dollars a day to spend; it explains why the superior Islamic world is-temporarily-the victim of the inferior West. Satan, devils and spirits are not just symbols. They are actual living phenomena in Islam. The notion of conspiracy is an essential aspect of modern Muslim religious philosophy and of Islamic world history."
Also in Ralph Potts' Vagabonding, a citation and quote:
"One of the things that I have discussed with friends who come from the Middle East or other Muslim countries is how far backwards they've slipped in the last 50 years. If you think about Beirut in the 1950s it was a fantastically open, cultured city. So was Damascus. So was Kabul. So was Tehran. These were all places which had come a long way. And now they seem to have slid back from that moment to something much less likable. And I've tried to say that these are questions which Muslim societies really need to ask themselves. It just won't do to endlessly blame the West. Because these are self-inflicted wounds."An excellent article analyzing Moslem humiliation, and the reaction of the Islamic world to it, is Humiliation of Muslims and the coming Siege of Vienna by Blake Gartner.
Here is a bit from that piece:
What Muslims claim to want is “respect”. But what is respect? The Islamic vision of “respect” is to be the dominant global power. It is to have the military power, the economic wealth and the international prestige to get what they want, whenever they want. Any compromise in any forum is immediately condemned as “humiliation” due to their weakness – a humiliation that naturally should be countered by pressing their political and military muscle.
Also see "Muslim's Lawsuit Alleges Humiliation"
And here is a good one, from the Moslem point of view, titled :
"Dignity vs Humiliation":
The Prophet (pbuh) said:
"Whoever allowed a Muslim to be humiliated while he could assist him, Allah will humiliate him in front of the entire creation on the Day of Judgment".
Let us chop off the head and hands of oppression and humiliation choking our brothers and sisters in Palestine, Iraq, etc., and our entire Ummah. Let us exchange our Cowardice for Honour and Dignity. Unless we change our own condition, Allah will not change the condition of our Ummah. You’ve seen anti-war protests, UN Resolutions and the like. They all failed. Jihad NEVER failed. Victory or Martyrdom!
" . . . the Arab and Muslim worlds are trapped in a culture of humiliation."
Shame and Pride
Hence, there is nothing that we--the West, the free (un-Islamic) people--can say or do that will not humiliate the Islamic umma, unless we surrender to it, subjugate ourselves to Islam.
As we will never do that willingly (without being conquered or killed by the Islamic hordes), they will always feel humiliated. Let them! Let them feel that they are worthless, that their ideology is inferior, that it is crude and brutal--for it is.
Whence the ultimate source of this Humiliation of the Islamic male? (The Islamic female is humiliated by the males of her society, so that she does not have far to look for the source of her humiliation.)
In The Plot Against America, Dexter Filkins writes:
"WRIGHT shows, correctly, that at the root of Islamic militancy — its anger, its antimodernity, its justifications for murder — lies a feeling of intense humiliation. Islam plays a role in this, with its straitjacketed and all-encompassing worldview. But whether the militant hails from a middle-class family or an impoverished one, is intensely religious or a “theological amateur,” as Wright calls bin Laden and his cohort, he springs almost invariably from an ossified society with an autocratic government that is unable to provide any reason to believe in the future. Islam offers dignity, even in — especially in — death. Living in the West, Atta and the others felt these things more acutely, not less. As Wright notes:
“'Their motivations varied, but they had in common a belief that Islam — pure and primitive, unmitigated by modernity and uncompromised by politics — would cure the wounds that socialism or Arab nationalism had failed to heal. They were angry but powerless in their own countries. They did not see themselves as terrorists but as revolutionaries who, like all such men throughout history, had been pushed into action by the simple human need for justice. Some had experienced brutal repression; some were simply drawn to bloody chaos. From the beginning of Al Qaeda, there were reformers and there were nihilists. The dynamic between them was irreconcilable and self-destructive, but events were moving so quickly that it was almost impossible to tell the philosophers from the sociopaths. They were glued together by the charismatic personality of Osama bin Laden, which contained both strands, idealism and nihilism, in a potent mix.'”Beyond the societal reason for a feeling of humiliation of the Moslem male, lies the personal one, the one that is the core source of a recognition of an actual inferiority.
The following is reprinted from PSYCHOPATHIA SEXUALIS ISLAMIYYA:
SHAME, THE ARAB PSYCHE, AND ISLAM
An excerpt from SHAME, THE ARAB PSYCHE, AND ISLAM, that most excellent piece, is this quote:
"The Arab world is suffering a crisis of humiliation. Their armies are routed not only by Americans, but also by tiny, Jewish Israel; and as Arthur Koestler once remarked, the Arab world has not, in the last 500 years or so, produced much besides rugs, dirty postcards, elaborations on the belly-dance esthetic (and, of course, some innovative terrorist practices). They have no science to speak of, no art, hardly any industry save oil, very little literature, and portentous music which consists largely of lugubrious songs celebrating the slaughter of Jews.
"Now that the Arabs have acquired national consciousness, and they compare their societies to other nations, these deficiencies become painfully evident, particularly to the upper-class Arab kids who attend foreign universities. There they learn about the accomplishments of Christians, Jews, (Freud, Einstein, for starters) and women. And yet, with the exception of Edward Said, there is scarcely a contemporary Arab name in the bunch. No wonder, then, that major recruitment to al-Qaeda's ranks takes place among Arab university students. And no wonder that suicide bombing becomes their tactic of choice: it is a last-ditch, desperate way of asserting at least one scrap of superiority—a spiritual superiority—over the materialistic, life-hugging, and ergo shameful West.
But this tactic is not, I suggest, a product of Islam. Rather, it is a product of the bruised Arab psyche. . . . "
* * *
"Arab women are elected for the special role of the inferior who, by definition, lacks honor. Arab men eradicate shame and bolster their shaky self-esteem by imposing the shameful qualities of the dhimmi, submission and passivity, upon women. Trailing a humbled woman behind them, Arab men can walk the walk of the true macho man.
"Hence the relative lack of material achievement by Arabs: the Arab world has stunted the female half of its brain pool, while the men acquire instant self-esteem not by real accomplishment, but by the mere fact of being men, rather than women. No wonder, then, that the Arab nations feel irrationally threatened by the very existence of Israel. Like America, the Jews have brought the reality of the liberated woman into the very heart of the Middle East, into dar al-Islam itself. Big Satan and Little Satan: the champions of Muslim women."
The foregoing is a quote by Dr. Sanity from Saving Arabs From Themselves by Dr. Leo Gutmann
Muslim men and their Masculinity
In his Yes This IS Islam Dr. Sanity tells us about a . . .
. . . 14 year old girl, abducted and raped by an adult male, who on her rescue and return to her family was brutally murdered by her father for "shaming" the family.
Why are Muslim Men . . .
. . . raging, dysfunctional . . . shaky about their masculinity . . . ?
Dr. Sanity says:
. . . over and over again we hear the refrain that the behavior of muslim men toward muslim women is "not" Islam. That it is contrary to "real" Islam (despite the manuals issued by imams on how to beat a wife or daughter so that it doesn't "show"). We even witness the apologists among the women who claim that covering themselves is their "choice" and allows them to be who they "really are".
Frankly, this bullshit is beginning to make me sick. I have no problem with such muslim women apologists wearing whatever they want. But their perspective would be ever so much more persuasive if women who choose NOT to have their individual identities submerged under a shapeless, formless and oppressive religion, were not murdered so frequently by raging, dysfunctional men, shaky about their masculinity."
--from This IS Islam
MORE ABOUT MUSLIM MEN'S HUMILIATION . . .:
" . . . child rearing and family structure of the Islamic families in Europe (and throughout much of the Muslim world) tend to foster the development of emotionally stunted and immature boys/men. Much was made of the high incidence of spousal abuse, pedophilia, and perverse sexuality. Among the most chilling of the insights was the recognition that the families of the rapists did not see their sons as having done anything wrong and felt that the women universally deserved their punishment for behaving immodestly.
The Symposium participants tied rape of infidel women and unveiled Muslim women to some core tenets of Islam as well as psycho-cultural correlates of the Muslim culture. Dr. Sanity has an excellent summary and offers some clarifying comments:
I continue to think that the treatment of women under Islam is not only the key to understanding the pathology of the culture, but also the key to developing an antidote to its most poisonous and toxic elements. Unveiling the women of Islam and eliminating their second-class status; empowering them in the oppressive Islamic countries where their individuality and self-expression has been crushed-- may cause a ripple effect that could eventually alter a family structure that encourages the development of generation after generation of dysfunctional and pathological men and women.
Rape is typically a crime of rage at the rapist's perceived humiliation by the more powerful and alluring woman. A significant percent of rapists are unable to complete the sexual act which adds to their feelings of weakness and attendant rage. While the Symposium participants make the point that rape conflates rageful aggression and sexuality, I think they miss an aspect of current conditions that are serving to worsen the predicament for the Islamic culture, and by extension for those Western societies with which the Muslims come into contact.The following section has to do with the psychodynamic development of boys and specific features of the Arab family and cultural practices that increase the male terror of the female body. . . .
Read it and more at
from Dhimmi Watch:
Islam's young men are often sexually insane. Arab moms have this folk idea that if they pull on their little boy's penises it will make it bigger and make them 'manlier' so basically, and I have seen this in both Egypt and Syria - Arab moms masturbate even INFANTS till they are writhing in dry orgasm.
It is done with barely concealed sadism and the battered islamic moms seem to 'worship' and yet in some primordial way hate their sons.
Older men routinely sexually abuse boys and girls and the whole culture is [pervaded] with intense shame/honor/guilt complexes. Sex is brutal, domineering and fraught with violence.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at April 22, 2007 12:16 PM at Dhimmi Watch
And there you have it! Humiliation has its roots in sexual shame and guilt. We did not impose that straight-jacket on the Moslems: Mohammed did. But do they blame him and his "all the sex I want for me, and none for you, except . . . " And the "excepts" require either sufficient wealth for marriage, taking captive women and children that can be used for sex, or sublimation, that is, perverting the sex drive into a killing drive--with the target, of course, infidels--that is, us, the free people, who are not subject to Islam.
So, if it's humiliation they feel, let them know why they feel it: their society is inferior to ours. They lack accomplishments, their young men hang around the streets wanting to kill (they can't have sex with their young women), they live under an ideology that was once good for enriching the sly Mohammed with women and wealth, by constant warfare and conquest of neighboring people. They are unfit to cope with the modern world where they cannot expect to live off the taxes paid by "non-believers." They feel humiliated because they are inferior human beings: morally, intellectually, sexually.
IT'S ALL ABOUT "HUMILIATION"Islamics feel that they must constantly humiliate those who are not moslems, whom they call the "kuffar."If we, whom they term the "kuffar," commit any act the Islamics take as a "humiliation," they dirty their diapers."Any act" includes defeating them in battle, not being respectful enough--to them or to their progenitor--the mad beast of makkah, or saying anything pejorative about their shitty ideology.
The following is from
It is a comment by the erudite najastani.[original has important links]najistani said...
CULTURAL JIHAD AND HUMILIATION OF THE KUFFAR Islam is the only religion which is more obsessed with unbelievers than it is with its own followers. Muslims define their own identity solely in opposition to the Kuffar. Islamic accomplishments are so negligible that they have no positive cultural features with which they can identify. Hence the unceasing and implacable aggression toward civilized peoples and envy of their accomplishments. The developmentand deliberate cultivation of hatred is such a central feature of Islam that there is nothing that weKuffars can do, or not do, that would make our univited guests hate us any less or any more. Rage is so intrinsic to Islam that external events are irrelevant.
Hatred of non-Moslems is the pivot of Islamic existence. Muslims are bound together by a shared and carefully nurtured animosity to 'The Other' developed from earliest childhood, which ignites a permanent fire of tension between Moslems and non-Moslems. Ever since Jihadists started immigrating into the West, we have become all too familiar with concepts such as 'Killing the unbelievers wherever you find them' and the tribal polarities of Dar al-Harb versus Dar al-Islam , Ummah versus Kuffar etc. This venom manifests not only as highly publicised murderous attacks - 9/11, 7/7, Beslan, Madrid, Bali etc but as less well publicised local instances of 'street-jihad' - small scale SJS murders, child abductions , rapes and general gangsterism. Muslims do not necessarily want to kill all unbelievers, since Muslim culture is predatory and parasitic andincapable of sustaining itself. Large numbers of non-Muslims have always been kept as 'dhimmis' - secondclass citizens who supported their indolent masters by their labour and payment of the crippling 'jizya' -the infidel poll tax. But if the kuffar is not killed, it is essential that he must be thoroughly humiliated. Humiliation is very important in Islam - second only to killing.
Humiliation of the kuffar takes a number of forms: 1) Dhimmitude - economicand social oppression bordering on slavery. (2) Sexual predation - historical whiteslavery and modern day pedophile rings and rape of 'uncoveredmeat'. (3) Cultural humiliation - muslim cultural triumphalism and destruction of the kuffars' culture. Most counter-jihadists are familiar with humiliationby dhimmitude and Islamic sexual predation, but cultural humiliation doesn't get as much publicity in the blogosphere, and yet it is a growing danger that deserves far more attention. At first sight the idea of muslim cultural triumphalism seems absurd. Dar al-Islam produces nothing of any cultural significance that Dar al-Harb wants . But the fact that they have nothing to offer doesn't stop them imposing their cultural presence with domineering and triumphalist structures. The main expression of cultural supremacism in Europe is the building of large, aggressive 'in-yer-face' mosques in prominent locations. For example, the London megamosque will be next to theOlympic site and will be many times bigger than any Christian building in London - an edifice of Stalinesque gigantomania . What Muslims lack in quality they attempt to make up for in size and numbers. Nevertheless, large piles of masonry still can't compensate for the inherent cultural barrenness of Islam, and the main effort in cultural humiliation is directed at destroying the kuffars' culture rather than creating anything new.
Constant attempts are made to restrict the public celebration of traditional kuffar festivals, such as Halloween, Christmas and Easter. Also, and most importantly, the religious artifacts of the Kuffar, especially 'idolatrous' images such as crosses, carvings, statues and stained glass windows, are regarded as Jahiliyya - worthless trash. Today, as all throughout its past, Muslims devalue the civilisations which they attempt to supplant through the defacing of ancient historical and religious sites. Any culture that is pre-Islamic is considered to be jahiliyya, that is, from " the time of ignorance. As the European Jihadist population increases in number and expands outwards from its ghettos, we can expect escalating attacks on the physical remnants of our culture, especially sacred sites such as churches.Eventually the architectural and artistic heritage of Europe will go the way of the Buddhas of Bamiyan. Islamic multiculturalism will not have produced 'vibrant cultural enrichment' but cultural desolation.
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Sunday, March 9, 2008
Rep. John Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat and former marine who has become a fierce critic of the Iraq war, said he has no doubt marines killed innocent civilians in Haditha and tried to cover up the deaths. Marine Corps officials, he said on the same TV program, have told him that troops shot one woman "in cold blood" who was bending over her child begging for mercy.
Iraqis' Accounts Link Marines to the Mass Killing of Civilians
Published: May 29, 2006
From The New York Times - a left-biased newspaper
May 29, 2006
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. and MONA MAHMOUD
BAGHDAD, Iraq, May 28 — Hiba Abdullah survived the killings by American troops in Haditha last Nov. 19, but said seven others at her father-in-law's home did not. She said American troops shot and killed her husband, Rashid Abdul Hamid. They killed her father-in-law, Abdul Hamid Hassan Ali, a 77-year-old in a wheelchair, shooting him in the chest and abdomen, she said.
Her sister-in-law, Asma, "collapsed when her husband was killed in front of her eyes," Ms. Abdullah said. As Asma fell, she dropped her 5-month-old infant. Ms. Abdullah said she picked up the baby girl and sprinted out of the house, and when she returned, Asma was dead.
Four people who survived the killings in Haditha, including some who had never spoken publicly, described the killings to an Iraqi writer and historian who was recruited by The New York Times to travel to Haditha and interview survivors and witnesses of what military officials have said appear to be unjustified killings of two dozen Iraqis by marines. Some in Congress fear the killings could do greater harm to the image of the United States military around the world than the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.
The four survivors' accounts could not be independently corroborated, and it was unclear in some cases whether they actually saw the killings. But much of what they said was consistent with broad outlines of the events of that day provided by military and government officials who have been briefed on the military's investigations into the killings, which the officials have said are likely to lead to charges that may include murder and a cover-up of what really happened.
The name of the Iraqi who conducted the interviews for The Times is being withheld for his own safety, because insurgents often make a target of Iraqis deemed collaborators.
Haditha, a sand-swept farming town flecked with date palms on the upper Euphrates River, is in one of Iraq's most dangerous areas, ridden with insurgents in the heart of Sunni-dominated Anbar Province.
Three months earlier, 20 Marines from a different unit were killed around Haditha over a three-day span. Fourteen were killed by a bomb that destroyed their troop carrier. Six others, all snipers, were ambushed and killed on a foot patrol. Insurgents appeared later to rejoice and boast about the sniper ambush, releasing a video over the Internet that appeared to show the attack and the mangled and burned body of a dead American serviceman.
Haditha is under the control of insurgents that include Tawhid and Jihad, a name that has been used by the terrorist organization of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, said Miysar al-Dulaimi, a human rights lawyer who has relatives in Haditha and who returned there two days after the killings and spoke to witnesses and neighbors. Mr. Dulaimi said that outside their bases, the Americans control almost nothing.
"People are so scared," he said. "They have lost confidence in the Americans. If the Americans show up in the neighborhood the insurgents will come and take away people they accuse of being stooges of the Americans."
But just over six months ago, 24 people in the Subhani district of Haditha faced a different death, witnesses and survivors say.
The killings began after 7:15 a.m., as the neighborhood was stirring awake, when insurgents detonated a roadside bomb in Subhani that killed Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas of El Paso, Tex., as his patrol drove through the area.
According to one United States defense official, who declined to be named because details of the investigation are not supposed to be revealed, most of the subsequent killings are believed to have been committed by a handful of Marines led by a staff sergeant who was their squad leader, although other Marines are also under investigation.
In the home Ms. Abdullah escaped from, she said American troops also shot in the chest and killed a 4-year-old nephew named Abdullah Walid. She said her mother-in-law, Khumaysa Tuma Ali, 66, died after being shot in the back. Two brothers-in-law, Jahid Abdul Hamid Hassan and Walid Abdul Hamid Hassan, were also killed, she said.
In addition to Ms. Abdullah and Asma's baby, two others survived: One, 9-year-old Iman Walid Abdul Hamid, said she ran quickly, still clad in her pajamas, to hide under the bed covers with her younger brother, Abdul Rahman Walid Abdul Hamid, when she saw what was happening.
. "We were scared and could not move for two hours. I tried to hide under the bed," she said, but both her and her brother, Abdul Rahman, were hit with shrapnel.
Abdul Rahman, 7, said very little about that day. "When they killed my father Walid, I hid in bed," he said.
Hiba Abdullah assumed the two children had died, but she said they were later found at a local hospital.
One Haditha victim was an elderly man, close to 80 years old, killed in his wheelchair as he appeared to be holding a Koran, according to the United States defense official, who described information collected during the investigation. An elderly woman was also killed, as were a mother and a child who were "in what appeared to be a prayer position," the official said. Some victims had single gunshot wounds to the head, and at least one home where people were shot to death had no bullet marks on the walls, inconsistent with a clearing operation that would typically leave bullet holes, the official added. Senator John W. Warner, a Virginia Republican who heads the Armed Services Committee, pledged Sunday to hold hearings on the Haditha killings as soon as the military investigation is concluded.
"I'll do exactly what we did with Abu Ghraib," he said on ABC's "This Week," referring to hearings. He added that there were serious questions of "what was the immediate reaction of the senior officers in the Marine Corps."
Rep. John Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat and former marine who has become a fierce critic of the Iraq war, said he has no doubt marines killed innocent civilians in Haditha and tried to cover up the deaths. Marine Corps officials, he said on the same TV program, have told him that troops shot one woman "in cold blood" who was bending over her child begging for mercy.
In all, 19 people were killed in three separate homes in Haditha, and 5 were killed after they approached the scene in a taxi, survivors and people in the neighborhood said.
Hiba Abdullah said that after the killings in her father-in-law's home the American troops moved to the house of a neighbor, Younis Salim Nisaif. She said he was killed along with is wife, Aida, and Aida's sister, Huda. She said five children were also killed at that home, all between ages of 10 and 3.
There was one survivor, Safa Younis Salim, 13, who in an interview said she lived by faking her death. "I pretended that I was dead when my brother's body fell on me and he was bleeding like a faucet," she said. She said she saw American troops kick her family members and that one American shouted in the face of one relative before he was killed.
Military officials declined Sunday to comment on details of the killings described by survivors. "The investigations are ongoing, therefore any comment at this time would be inappropriate and could undermine the investigatory and possible legal process," said Lt. Col. Sean Gibson, a Marine spokesman.
David P. Sheldon, a defense lawyer advising a marine under investigation in the case, said what is publicly known about the case "raises a disturbing picture, but I think the situation was very confusing." He added that "the insurgent pressure in that part of Iraq has been particularly virulent" which caused "a very stressful environment."
Three days before a roadside bomb attack that preceded the Nov. 19 killings, another marine from the same unit had been killed when a bomb detonated under his vehicle in Haditha. It was the first combat death that the unit, the First Marine Regiment's Third Battalion, had suffered on that deployment to Iraq.
Neighbors said that in the third home assaulted on Nov. 19, four brothers were killed by American troops. The wife of one of the brothers, who would only identify herself as the widow of a brother named Jamal, said the four victims were all between the ages of 20 and 38.
The troops forced women in the home to leave at gunpoint, the widow said. Afterward, she said the women heard gunshots coming from the home, but the troops forbade them from returning. Eventually, she said, they went inside and found the bodies of Jamal and three brothers, Marwan, Jassib and Kahatan.
Mr. Dulaimi, the human rights lawyer who traveled to Haditha two days after the killings, said neighbors told him the father of the four victims and owner of the home was Ayad Ahmed al-Gharria, who does odd jobs and has a shop in Haditha. The neighbors, Mr. Dulaimi said, told him the troops killed Marwan first. The three other brothers were killed after they came to see what was happening, he said.
Five more Iraqi men died that day after they approached the American troops in a taxi, according to people in the neighborhood. Four of the men were students and the fifth was the driver of the taxi, and all were between the ages of 18 and 25, they said.
After the killings, Mr. Dulaimi said Haditha clerics and elders led a protest march on the American base near a dam on the Euphrates. From the city's mosques, Mr. Dulaimi said, clerics condemned the killings and said the Americans "promise they will bring peace and security to this country, but what has happened is they are spreading panic, fear and terror among the people."
One person from the neighborhood, Salim Abdullah, said relatives from two of the families had taken compensation payments of as much as $2,500 per victim from American officials who later visited. Relatives of other victims have not taken payments, he said.
The United States defense official said the payments were also a focus of investigators trying to determine whether the killings were improperly covered up. On "This Week," Representative Murtha suggested that the decision to make payments was strong evidence that Marine officers up the chain of command had knowledge of the events. "That doesn't happen at the lowest level," he said. "That happens at the highest level before they make a decision to make payments to the families."
The Marines also face an inquiry into the killing of an Iraqi man on April 26 near Hamandiyah, west of Baghdad. A preliminary inquiry found "sufficient information" for a criminal investigation, the Marines said. Representative Murtha said a marine fired an AK-47 rifle so there would be spent cartridges near the body, making it look as if the victim had been firing a weapon.
A spokesman for the First Marine Division, Lt. Lawton King, said several marines suspected of involvement in the incident have been put in the brig at Camp Pendleton, Calif., or restricted to the base.
An Iraqi employee of The New York Times contributed reporting from Haditha for this article, and David S. Cloud and Mark Mazzetti from Washington
HADITHA MARINE: INSURGENTS USE KIDS/
By Michelle Malkin • May 31, 2006 09:30 PM
Click on article Title above
For Part 1 What Happened In Haditha, see
Saturday, March 8, 2008
From The Washington Post
[Note: It must be remembered that The Washington Post is a Main Stream Medium biased towards the Left. The following reporting appears to be unbiased (balanced), but keep the general orientation of the newspaper in mind while reading the following description of events.]
1 - What Happened In Haditha
[This series of posts are a followup to
WHAT WORRIES US MOST ABOUT THE ISLAMIC JIHAD?
The Rules of Engagement - Death by Rules of Engagement
The Rules of Engagement Are Too Stringent ]
What Happened In Haditha (Graphic Presentation)
Twenty-four civilians died in attacks by U.S. Marines in Haditha, Iraq, on Nov. 19, 2005, after a bomb killed one of the troops in a convoy. Four Marines have been charged with murder in the incidents, which began with the killing of five civilians outside a taxi and continued with the killing of Iraqis in nearby homes. These diagrams are drawn from accounts in investigative reports.
The Washington Post's coverage of the Haditha investigation:
Family Stands By a Marine Under Investigation (Nov. 22, 2006)
Marine Who Led Haditha Attack Was Recommended for a Medal (Aug. 30, 2006)
Marine Called Haditha Shootings Appropriate (Aug. 24, 2006)
Haditha Probe Finds Leadership Negligent (July 9, 2006)
In Haditha Killings, Details Came Slowly (June 4, 2006)
In Haditha, Memories of a Massacre (May 27, 2006)
Marine Says Rules Were Followed (Article)
Drawn Graphics Showing Sequence of Events at Haditha (Repeated from Above)
Marines' Photos Provide Graphic Evidence in Haditha Probe (Photos and Text)
(next-to-the-*)WORST CASE SCENARIO
Let us suppose, Islam is more and more victorious in the world. Europe has fallen to them and they have made such inroads in the United States as holding majorities in both houses of Congress as well as having, say, three Moslem justices on our Supreme Court, and of course Moslems in the cabinet, CAIR crowing triumphantly, and a couple of Moslem candidates vying for the presidency of the United States.
What is left for us, Americans who don't want to see our children become Moslems, who want our country back? Answer: Resistance, the underground, the people intent on
overthrowing the Islamics.
Remember, there is no Constitution that protects the government from being overthrown, once sharia reigns supreme.
THE "MODERATE" MOSLEMS IN OUR MIDST
There are Moslems living now in the United States--whether immigrants, residents, or American citizens--like that "nice family a couple of houses down the block," lovely people, just like us, only that they go to mosque on Friday instad of to church on Sunday. They dress as we do, speak perfect English, explain Islamic customs and are eager to relate the history of Moslem holidays.
These are what we consider to be "moderate" Moslems. As contrasted to the "Islamic extremists," our governmental authorities babble about. There are those who pretend to be that, the undercover jihadists. But when Islam rules supreme, these will come out of the shadows, eager to be recognized as devout Moslems.
The Real "Moderate" Moslems
To my mind, if you are a Moslem who believes that the koran is holy and comes directly from a Moslem god, and that the life of Mohammed was exemplary and that every Moslem should follow this journey in the world by this "perfect man," you cannot be "moderate."
It is, as has been said before ad nauseam, similar to being pregnant. You cannot be "moderately" pregnant as contrasted to "fully" pregnant. I mean the state either is or is not. Likewise, a Moslem either is a full believer or he is not.
Yes, there are "secular" Moslems or "Moslems-in-name-only" as Hugh Fitzgerald, Vice President of the Board at Jihad Watch, so insightfully observed. There are Moslems who imbibe alcohol and do not emulate the "oh-so-pure" life of Mohammed (lacking in "purity" in sexual matters, however so there's plenty of room for them in that arena).
These "luke-warm" Moslems still feel their "Moslemhood" at critical times, such as when the umma celebrates a successful al qaeda strike against one of the two "Satans."
When push comes to shove and an angered populace starts cleaning out berobed, koran-wielding Moslems from their midst, will these "in-name-onlys" side with us or will they feel the pull of their "Moslemhood" and side with their more devout ideologues.
More appropriate yet is an instance when, let us suppose, the ummah (Moslem wold) is more and more victorious, to repeat: Europe has fallen to them and they have made such inroads in the United States as holding majorities in both houses of Congress as well as having, say, three Moslem justices on our Supreme Court, and of course Moslems in the cabinet, CAIR crowing triumphantly, and a couple of Moslem candidates vying for the presidency of the United States.
When "it is good to be a Moslem," will these "moderate," "slightly pregnant" Moslems join in with Islam triumphant? Or will we be able to depend on these Moslem "good ol boys" on being on our side, the Resistance, the Underground, the people intent on taking our country back?
*The worst-case scenario of course is that the United States is taken over by Islamic forces--Moslems--and the Constitution is supplanted by sharia (Moslem law). In that case, we will be living under an Islamic tyranny. Eventually, we will end up as Persia ended up--what it is today: the population is Moslem--the few remaining Christians, Jews, Zoroastrian are persecuted and made to feel so uncomfortable that some will opt out, become Moslems. It no longer Persia, it is Iran.
A PORTENT OF THINGS TO COME: IRAQ
If troops are pulled out of Iraq, and the country is left to its own devices
BRITAIN PULLED ITS TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ AT THE END OF 2007
[Iraqis in Basra, south-east of Baghdad] are becoming increasingly alarmed, saying that killings, kidnappings and other crimes have increased significantly since British forces turned over responsibility for Basra at the end of last year.
Thousands of people took to the streets Saturday [March 7, 2008] in Basra, protesting deteriorating security in the southern city where Iraqi forces assumed responsibility for safety last December.
Dozens of women were slain in Basra by religious extremists last year because of how they dressed, their mutilated bodies found with notes warning against "violating Islamic teachings."
DO WE CARE? SHOULD WE CARE?
Iraqi police and army have been trained by the U.S., EU countries, in Jordan, for years now. If Iraq cannot get its shit together, why should we expend more lives, limbs, and money to fix something that could only be held together by Saddam Hussein's sheer brutality?
MORAL: Where Islam reigns, violence and death abound. The violence. mayhem and death called for in the koran is honored more by its observance than its breach. Yes, we have violence, murder, kidnappings, and mayhem in the United States, but not mass murders on the scale that they have here.
The U.S. military said that Iraqi security forces had discovered a mass grave in Diyala province containing perhaps 100 bodies. Police also reported that the bullet-riddled bodies of 13 men were found near the same town.
Also Saturday, two separate bombings in the province northeast of Baghdad left six people dead.
In Basra, Iraq's second-largest city and the urban center of an oil-rich region, Shiite groups have been wrestling for control.
Get this--rival Shi'ite groups are vying for control and supremacy!
So, it won't be only Sunnis and Shi'ites at each others' throats, but internecine fighting within the factions!
What do we do?
An Islamic country is an ENEMY country!
Make no mistake, see how warmly Iraq's PM welcomed Iran's Ahmadinejad! Iran has openly declared that we, the U.S. are the enemy (along with Israel, of course).
The reasoning is that we must stay in Iraq--for 100 years possibly--to keep the Iraqis from slaughtering each other AND to keep Iran from directing Iraq's destiny.
About the Iraqis slaughtering each other, I couldn't care less. Whenever Moslem kills Moslem, it means one less Moslem who can try and kill us.
Iran running the show in Iraq means that Al Qaeda would be given a free hand there--training camps, a safe haven, support by two governments.
Al Qaeda is our--the U.S.'s--sworn enemy.
We cannot allow Iraq to become a safe haven for Al Qaeda.
Therefore, we must always have a free hand in Iraq to crush our enemies in that country--that we freed from a brutal dictator.
That means that we must have access to Iraq--to kill our enemies in that country.
IF IRAN MOVES INTO IRAQ, AFTER WE PULL OUT OUR TROOPS, WE WILL NOT HAVE THAT ACCESS.
We cannot allow that. The solution: Iran must be kept so busy concerned with its own survival that it will be unable to meddle in Iraq.
How do you keeep Iran turned inwards? Hit its nuclear facilities. Harass its fleet in the Persian Gulf. Shoot down any missiles Iran test launches. If Iran declares war against us? Or hits our facilities? Shock and Awe, but not half-heartedly--all out. What if Russia objects? The UN objects? The EU countries in business with Iran object? Let 'em!
It's going to happen sooner or later. Sooner is better, before Iran goes nuclear.
The solution to the Iraq problem is Iran. Hindsight, that --what we should've done, that is, kept Saddam in power to counterbalance Iraq--won't get us anywhere. It is what it is.
I repeat: to keep only necessary strike forces in Iraq--AND FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE STOP BUILDING UP IRAQ'S INFRASTRUCTURE--WHILE OUR OWN HERE IS COLLAPSING--Iran must be made to look inwards, to lick its wounds, to explode against us, if necessary, and then be crushed. And no more rebuilding any more countries, please!
BAGHDAD(AP) Thousands of people took to the streets Saturday [March 7, 2008] in Basra, protesting deteriorating security in the southern city where Iraqi forces assumed responsibility for safety last December.
By BUSHRA JUHI - Writer, Associated Press